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Okay, is anyone here not a Nintendo fankid?
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I'm not even a gamer.

Sorta difficult to visit sites like this one and remain completely unaware, though.
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it's kind of like Citizen Kane or the LOTR books -- what was astonishing and groundbreaking then is so commonplace and part of the landscape now that we can hardly imagine what it was like when it first debuted. "Science fiction on TV" was cheeseball stuff like Flash Gordon. You wouldn't expect Flash and Dale to handle interracial kissing (let alone inter-species bootknocking and procreation) or arms escalation.
What about real conflict between characters, some random psychosis, and actual development of the character?
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Yes, sure, there were plenty of clunkers (The Gamesters of Triskellion, Spock's Brain) and plotless tripe (That Which Survives), but there was also real heartbreak (City of the Edge of Forever) and contentious issues (Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, A Private Little War, the aforementioned interracial kiss). Science fiction was just not the genre used to tackle powerful questions back then. Hell, did TV in general even go there, in any genre?
I take your point on the heartbreak and some contentious issues, but they tend to be handled in about as heavy a manner as possible, and you do tend to be fed a single viewpoint as 'right'. Obviously in some, 'Battlefield' being an example, there are clear distinctions. However, in the case of 'A Private Little War', we do get a muddy issue handed to us with a clear 'this is good, this is bad, now believe it' outcome.

Also, these are offset by some real tripe...
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Worksafe? Can we actually have people in the room who use the Web for personal use on COMPANY TIME?!?!?!? How shameful!

Has anyone here actually eaten tripe? It looks awful.
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No. IMO, it's called 'tripe' for a reason
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Uh, yeah. Another case of truth in advertising in action. Tripe doesn't pretend to be anything other than tripe. So many people's lives are enriched by the elimination of accidental tripe use.
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On the other hand, there's menudo...
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Ugh, I did not need to know about that.
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I watched some more Voyager yesterday. Now that it's rerunning I'm seeing if I can relive the glory days.

Apparently I cannot, for each time I've watched, I've just sort of wanted to throw things at the TV. And throw things at Janeway. DEFINITELY THROW THINGS AT JANEWAY FDSFDSAFGKL.

Funny how quickly one can go from one end of the spectrum to the other.
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That's cause Voyager didn't get *good* until like the 3rd season. We're still in season 2 reruns. Threshold was on the other day. Oi! lol
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My brother claims to actualy like threshold... but i think he just says it to bug me
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Or even lizard you.

I can see why Trek canon would be better if Threshold never existed, but I gotta admit that it has some cute moments. "Doctor, I need to talk!" "I can see that."
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If I'm honest...I rather liked that episode. Before I used to go on the net, and hear what other people before. Right back when I first watched it. I like it. Ok, now I can see that it mucks up the 'order of things'... but I really rather like it.
I watched Insurrection tonight, on TV.
God, I want some new Trek. I'd take anything!
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Yeah, but what? They announced Trek XI awhile ago, but we should've had a teaser by now, right? What happened?

I think that it'll be a LONG TIME before they try a new series. Seriously long time. I wonder if it'll be another Enterprise series. Here are some ideas off the top of my head:

Another 23rd century show. Another Constitution-class ship. We could do Kirk et al voiceovers as cameos. Revisit some of the old TOS planets. What happened to the gangsters from A Piece of the Action? What about the researchers studying the Guardian of Forever? What's the Gorn culture like? Did they ever discover more Preserver technology, or the reason why so many planets are "just like Earth?"

A Federation colony in the Gamma Quadrant. There's another Founder in residence, maybe a Jem'Hadar officer. The best of both worlds, really. New species, new empires, and all that, but you can still call back home via DS9 for help. Do DS9 cameos, maybe have Nog be a senior officer now.

Now that the Borg have been destroyed, the Federation has sent another starship to the Delta Quadrant. The transwarp conduits are in tatters, but thanks to the technology Voyager found, we can create a sort of transwarp jump gate. A catapult, if you will. Sort of an artificial wormhole, but due to the power source and subspace characteristics of the region, you can only "jump" at certain times. Like the unstable timer on Sliders, it might be five minutes until the next opening or two days. We've admitted many Voyager races as new Federation members. The Talaxians, the Ocampa, and so forth. A new menace has united the Kazon, the Malon, and so forth. Perhaps a race that the Borg rejected for assimilation and now they actually WANT to be Borg, want to be "better" through cybernetics. Too bad the Collective is basically destroyed. These guys are tracking down former drones and dissecting them one by one, looking for the key. The Kazon and Malon have no idea about this, for the Baddies have fed them a line of bull about taking over the Federation for their own purposes. Now our intrepid Starfleet crew is trying to spread the Federation in the Delta Quadrant, making new friends, perfecting the catapult technology so that any ship can hurl itself between quadrants, all while fighting the Baddies.

A small group of Starfleet cadets have proven themselves worthy to be given "extra-curricular" tasks. Send them to Vulcan to help uncover some ancient ruins from before the Romulans split off. A Klingon ship has gotten lost in a nebula; we need to find them. Starfleet has discovered a planet where no one ever matures beyond the early twenties and won't trust "fogies."
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If I'm honest...I rather liked that episode. Before I used to go on the net, and hear what other people before. Right back when I first watched it. I like it. Ok, now I can see that it mucks up the 'order of things'... but I really rather like it.
I still like it, too. So the story is somewhat implausible, scientifically.

Somewhat.

Meh, big deal. Great performance from RDM.

And he spits out his tongue -- how many times do you see that? Huh? Huh?
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I guess the major problem I have with Threshold is the whole "all we need for Warp 10 are uberdilithium crystals." Seriously, "warp fields" and "omnipresence" don't exactly overlap that much. I'd have preferred some sort of chamber that creates a subspace field that accelerates anything inside it to "Warp 10." The object is reconstituted in another Warp 10 transporter pad. It might be across the room or across the quadrant. The ubersensors would just detect and materialize anything travelling at omnipresence speeds.
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Well, aren't there some webisodes online somewhere. I think even real Trek actors are in them and everything. I couldn't give you a link atm, but i'm sure if you did a bit of scratching at Google you might find 'em.
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http://www.newvoyages.com/ (This one has used a number of former Trek actors -- I think I heard J.G. Hertzler is going to be in an upcoming ep.)

http://www.starshipexeter.com/ (Dennis Bailey is one of the people behind this one.)
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There ya go. Thanks Mudshark
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I knew about New Voyages already, but I've yet to enjoy it, thanks to being in dialup exile.
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Oh well that sucks. I feel for you and your kind.
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