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You're telling me that uniform colors are protected by the "established facts can be ignored for the sake of a good story" clause?
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The answer to "why should I watch Discovery" is apparently...
...it's the first new televised Star Trek in over a decade and the cast is diverse. That's it. Pretty weak arguments if you ask me. A second site adds... ...there are impressive visuals, plenty of action, and interplanetary drama. I repeat my previous comment.
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If story is good, then they could have the whole crew run around in Drive jumpsuits for all I care. Or naked. That is actually why I could forgive a lot of Enterprise, once they got some of the establishing stuff out of the way: it is not necessarily the Trek we know and love, and it looks a little different than the way we've been imagining all this time, but the story (more or less) was decent and I was entertained. The fact that they are wearing the wrong colors is something that we have had to endure since they began the movies - the Hell was up with the TMP pyjama uniforms, anyway? - and different series will mean it. And it is not to say things like the character vs. character business in a post-human conflict society, or the Klingon's looks, or even a uniform design is not a little off-putting. Long-time Trek fans can look at this in the way that this isn't the way they exactly pictured it and pick it apart and show people that it is the worst thing ever... or they can look on Discovery as a new direction in a universe that already hasn't been consistent with itself, accept that there are always going to be changes as time goes on, and just enjoy the ride as long as it lasts. I am sorry, I got a little rant-y there. It gets to me that the majority of comments here on Discovery been negative, when no one has any idea what the finished product looks like. Star Trek, to me, has always been about optimism for the future, and if I even get a glimmer of that out of Discovery with a good story, I will take it.
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It's Star Trek. Tell good stories, be optimistic, show IDIC, and I'm there. The rest is noise. Gatekeepers and universe purists can suck warp plasma.
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It's clear that I need a time out from this topic. The premiere is in less than two weeks, I'll see how I feel after the reviews from people not on CBS's payroll turn out.
I'll see you elsewhere in the forum. Hopefully the TOS 50th and TNG 30th threads will be more fun than this.
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I agree that you can use a break, but I also agree with a lot of your concerns (as does Wowbagger, who I talk to often on FB). Optimism is important, no question. One CAN hope. But there are just so many bad signs.
There's a song in Fiddler on the Roof with this bit: Quote:
On a different note, can you guys believe it's less than two weeks now? After all the delays and chaos, I had gotten used to thinking of ST:D as a distant-future thing. I had the same feeling when Batman v Superman finally really happened.
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I want this so desperately to be good, and I agree with everything F_G said about good stories being able to make up for many sins against continuity... but everything I have seen about Discovery (except the decent theme song) says to me that it's not going to be good. The embargo is a damning exclamation point on all that. I haven't felt this way since early September 2001, back before ENTERPRISE convinced me it would actually be Star Trek and not some horrible knockoff. (Of course, that one ended well, and I'm pinning my cautious, perhaps foolish hopes on that.)
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See, that's what I mean about unforced errors. The review embargo doesn't prove anything -- but it was the last bad sign they had time to give us before launch, and boy, they jumped at the chance!
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I concede this. I still don't worry about it, though, until after premiere. Quote:
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As long as they don't introduce Kirk's crew or other crews we've already seen and show them in the wrong uniforms, I don't mind. Enterprise already had blue uniforms, we're going to see a crew in between that fashion and TOS's. I'm okay with that. If these were some other color, it would be weirder. I agree with you and others that there is a lot of room for skepticism and pessimism about this series, but I'm going to give it a chance where it deserves a chance and not risk throwing a baby out with the bathwater. Still not signing up for All Access (I might come home and find that KJ has, but that's her decision), but I'm also not going to dig a grave before the thing even launches.
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I know I said I'd keep out until the premiere, but I'm about to say something positive about Enterprise. Since apparently pigs are flying, whales are dropping from the sky, and I've become my own grandpa, I think I deserve a freebie.
Enterprise took place in a completely different era as prior series. The uniforms were completely unknown. And Enterprise used the same division colors as TOS! Discovery can't even use the correct division colors for undershirts, keeping them as a minimal splash of color against a more muted uniform. No, bright colors in any amount are unthinkable for a modern show, replace that nonsense with metallic colors instead!
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I mean, I'd much prefer the bright colors of TOS too, but I'll take what I can get.
And there are some continuity lines they shouldn't cross. Like transporters. They were far inferior to TNG-era tech in TOS, even if they did magically solve a few plots. Transporters don't reliably hit moving targets, they aren't good at beaming through solid rock, and I'm pretty sure they don't do intership beaming or site-to-site -- there has to be a transporter pad at one end or the other.
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Too many snarky comments...must resist...
Four more days... I must remember to make a Majora's Mask joke tomorrow.
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Yeah, the Majora's Mask joke wouldn't work because the "end of the world" is happening at night instead of dawn.
However, because I'm easily amused, I'm going to inflict a half hour loop of the Clock Town theme on you anyway...
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Tonight's the night!
Please be good. Pleeeeease.
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