The Spoily Harry Potter Thread - Page 2 - The Five-Minute Forums

Nan · #21 07-26-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Michiel

The fact that he saved Harry a couple of times, though, is not evidence enough. He explained all these things to Narcissa and Bellatrix in chapter 2.

Henh. It's not hard to explain away one's actions.

I haven't read it yet, anyway.

Michiel · #22 07-26-2005, 03:56 PM

He's also explained those things to Voldemort, and I'm not sure if Snape is good enough at occlumency to lie to him.

But, like I said, I think Snape is good, so he has to be good enough at it, right?

Celeste · #23 07-26-2005, 06:14 PM

::Cries:: I just read all 6 books in 4 and a half days. Snape can't be evil!! He just can't be!! I won't believe it!

Dumbledor believed in him right? He had to take the unbreakable vow to get Bellatrix to believe him that he was loyal to Voldemort. Snape told Dumbledor that he was going to be killed, and that he would most likely have to do it. Dumbledor told Harry everything he knows to prepair him for when he left. Now, Snape saves Malfoy from being killed while confirming his double agent position with Voldemort.

Dumbledore is linked to that Phoenix, right? He'll be back, right?? And how are they going to keep all the other characters together if its not based at the school. She'll have to bring them back to the school somehow.

I've heard some interesting theories that Harry will be the last hocroux. I'm just not sure if that's true, however it could be. I think that Malfoy is really going to turn around and help save Harry. And Snape will definatly play a big part in Voldemorts downfall. I hope those two will get together in the end. That would make me happy, seeing as how Snape was complelty evil to Harry every moment he got.

Anyway, how much longer till the next book? :P

Opium · #24 07-27-2005, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Michiel

Snape took the unbreakable vow with Narcissa. Therefore he HAD TO kill Dumbledore, because Draco couldn't. Now, about taking the vow itself, I think it's perfectly plausable that Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him rather than expose his loyalties to the Order of the Phoenix. Dumbledore has mentioned on a lot of occasions that there are things much worse than death.

I agree. I really can't see Snape going totally evil forever.

Celeste · #25 07-27-2005, 02:15 PM

I just found an interesting thought on another board thing. It mentioned that there *was* a locket found that couldn't be opened in the Black household! Regulas Black (R.A.B.) brought that locket back to his house and its just sitting there waiting for Harry now!

Michiel · #26 07-27-2005, 03:25 PM

Very interesting. Page 108, in my book. It is mentioned very briefly.

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There was a music box that emited a faintly sinister, tinkling tune when wound, and they all found themselves curiously weak and sleepy, until Ginny had the sense to slam the lid shut; a heavy locket that none of them could open; a number of ancient seals; and...

Regulus could have found it before he died, of course. But Sirius, Harry, etc. threw all of that stuff out. But it might still be there if Kreacher hid it somewhere.

Celeste · #27 07-27-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Michiel

But it might still be there if Kreacher hid it somewhere.

Exactly.

Opium · #28 07-27-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Celeste

I just found an interesting thought on another board thing. It mentioned that there *was* a locket found that couldn't be opened in the Black household! Regulas Black (R.A.B.) brought that locket back to his house and its just sitting there waiting for Harry now!

OoO, good one! Thanks for spotting it!

Katy Jane · #29 07-28-2005, 03:10 AM

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! i fogot about that locket. It sould be intresting to find out what happened to it.

Vedra · #30 07-29-2005, 04:20 AM

I don't remember it very well, but didn't Sirius give Harry some kind of item to Harry in Order of the Phoenix? That could be used to talk to him or something?

KillerGodMan · #31 07-29-2005, 06:38 AM

^ Yes, Harry tried using it at the end of the book, but it didn't work.

Here's a fiver verson:

Harry: I wanna talk to Sirius
Item-which-KillerGM-forgot-the-name-of: ERROR! 404! Requested person does not exist!
Harry: Crap...

Nan · #32 07-29-2005, 07:05 AM

One of a pair of mirrors with walky-talky properties. By the time Harry tried to use his, Sirius was already dead.

MaverickZer0 · #33 07-29-2005, 05:43 PM

Is Sirius actually dead? I thought he just fell through that curtain after being stunned...

Also, there's what Luna said. "Well, you heard them, didn't you? They're just beyond the curtain." Or something like that.

Michiel · #34 07-29-2005, 10:03 PM

I'm not sure either. But everyone in the book is pretty damn sure he's dead.

Nan · #35 07-29-2005, 10:23 PM

JKR refers to him as having "died."

The name "Merope" is interesting. It continues the celestial theme (Andromeda, Bellatrix), but also relates to myth. Merope was one of the Pleiades, all of whom and their mother were pursued by Orion the hunter. Merope rejected Orion and married a mortal, Sisyphus. Undeterred, Orion still pursued them, until they pled for assistance from Zeus. He transformed them into doves and later to stars, though Merope, because she married a mortal, was the dimmest star of the group.

Merope Gaunt married a normal human against his will and was "punished" (he left her and she died).

Hmm. Bellatrix means "female warrior" and Andromeda was the bride of the heroic Perseus. JKR doesn't pick names by chance, so it likely means something.

Thoughts?

MaverickZer0 · #36 07-30-2005, 02:59 AM

Sure. Bellatrix Lestrange is one of the top Death Eaters, isn't she? Wonder what Lestrange means...

Did she actually say it with the quote marks? I'm still a firm believer that he's coming back, but Luna seems to be the only one who might agree with me...

Andromeda...Tonks' mother, right? And I'm sure Nymphadora means something, but I don't know what...

[Later] Checked. Nymphadora probably refers to 'gift of the nymphs' (the literal meaning), and probably refers to her shapeshifting abilities. Through a bit of guesswork and her Wikipedia entry.

Vedra · #37 07-30-2005, 06:55 AM

I had forgotten about him trying the mirror at the end of the fifth book. I've recently re-read it, but I skimmed a lot, since I've already read it and it's just...well,a big-ass book. Anyway, I heard Elizabeth Hurley might play Bellatrix. I think it's perfect. Then again, I thought Bette Midler should've played Molly. I'm weird like that.

Nan · #38 07-30-2005, 09:07 AM

Lestrange = "The Foreigner," probably. "Etranger" refers to strange people or foreigners. It's like "Barbara" (meaning 'barbarian' or 'outsider') or Laframboise.

Narcissa's an interesting one too. A white flower with a red heart, named for Narcissus (he killed himself for love of... himself). She's also demonstrating she's a Voldemort sympathizer but not fanatically loyal like Bellatrix--she secured a vow from Snape to preserve the life of her son, rather than have him fail his test.

AKAArzosah · #39 08-05-2005, 04:05 AM

Can someone copy down the prophecy please? I can't remember it, and i just had an interesting thought...

Zeke · #40 08-06-2005, 04:57 AM

Well, I can finally post here. I was very slow to get on board the Harry Potter train, but I've now read all six books and thoroughly enjoyed them all.

Snape is totally not evil. But I bet Harry will kill him anyway and not find out till later that he was wrong.